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	<title>Comments on: Business Is Our Mission</title>
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		<title>By: Sierra</title>
		<link>http://insidework.net/resources/articles/business-is-our-mission/comment-page-1#comment-5310</link>
		<dc:creator>Sierra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jul 2010 13:37:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I agree wholeheartedly with Mr. Lundsford about BAM movement and am thankful that he wrote this important article, I would like to express a point of concern in relation to the research he cited about missionary effectiveness (International Bulletin of Missionary Research). My concern here is not with Mr. Lundsford or his article, but with the original research he cited. 

In my opinion, it is dangerous to put a dollar figure on missionary effectiveness. First, such research essentially attempts to put a price tag on the value of a human being. What cost, I wonder, should we establish as being &quot;effective.&quot; People are not car parts.

Second, this research measured conversions by baptisms. That&#039;s a bad measure. Thousands of people around the world come to faith without ever being baptised. No one can keep accurate records of how many are baptised. There are millions of believers around the world who never even go to a traditional church. And there are many people who have been baptised but aren&#039;t really believers.

Third, many missionary efforts are focused on &quot;planting seed.&quot; A lot of this work only comes to fruition in subsequent generations, as Jesus said in many places throughout the gospels. So you can&#039;t measure the value of the work by immediate results. 

Finally, a huge amount of missionary work is focused not on &quot;conversions&quot; but on helping people with medical, economic, food relief, social, and relational needs. The New York Times reported some time back that the Evangelical church alone in America (not counting catholic efforts) provides more social services to the nations in Africa than all the governments of Africa combined. 

In short, the report put out by the International Bulletin of Missions Research is quite narrow and off-base.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I agree wholeheartedly with Mr. Lundsford about BAM movement and am thankful that he wrote this important article, I would like to express a point of concern in relation to the research he cited about missionary effectiveness (International Bulletin of Missionary Research). My concern here is not with Mr. Lundsford or his article, but with the original research he cited. </p>
<p>In my opinion, it is dangerous to put a dollar figure on missionary effectiveness. First, such research essentially attempts to put a price tag on the value of a human being. What cost, I wonder, should we establish as being &quot;effective.&quot; People are not car parts.</p>
<p>Second, this research measured conversions by baptisms. That&#8217;s a bad measure. Thousands of people around the world come to faith without ever being baptised. No one can keep accurate records of how many are baptised. There are millions of believers around the world who never even go to a traditional church. And there are many people who have been baptised but aren&#8217;t really believers.</p>
<p>Third, many missionary efforts are focused on &quot;planting seed.&quot; A lot of this work only comes to fruition in subsequent generations, as Jesus said in many places throughout the gospels. So you can&#8217;t measure the value of the work by immediate results. </p>
<p>Finally, a huge amount of missionary work is focused not on &quot;conversions&quot; but on helping people with medical, economic, food relief, social, and relational needs. The New York Times reported some time back that the Evangelical church alone in America (not counting catholic efforts) provides more social services to the nations in Africa than all the governments of Africa combined. </p>
<p>In short, the report put out by the International Bulletin of Missions Research is quite narrow and off-base.</p>
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		<title>By: At $347,000 Per Baptism Maybe It’s Time To Rethink Church &#187; Accountability, Church, Kingdom of God, Reality Check, Trust, Worldview &#187; InsideWork</title>
		<link>http://insidework.net/resources/articles/business-is-our-mission/comment-page-1#comment-2835</link>
		<dc:creator>At $347,000 Per Baptism Maybe It’s Time To Rethink Church &#187; Accountability, Church, Kingdom of God, Reality Check, Trust, Worldview &#187; InsideWork</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 07:02:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] because I wanted to revisit a number that kept bothering me after reading Al Lunsford’s piece, Business is Our Mission.  Al referred to research that indicated a global cost of $347,000 per baptism. What??  I had to [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] because I wanted to revisit a number that kept bothering me after reading Al Lunsford’s piece, Business is Our Mission.  Al referred to research that indicated a global cost of $347,000 per baptism. What??  I had to [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Kola</title>
		<link>http://insidework.net/resources/articles/business-is-our-mission/comment-page-1#comment-1272</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Kola</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 00:34:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am not one for many words. WOW loved it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not one for many words. WOW loved it.</p>
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		<title>By: Sheila Baldwin</title>
		<link>http://insidework.net/resources/articles/business-is-our-mission/comment-page-1#comment-1249</link>
		<dc:creator>Sheila Baldwin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Nov 2008 03:22:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Jim!</description>
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		<title>By: jim hancock</title>
		<link>http://insidework.net/resources/articles/business-is-our-mission/comment-page-1#comment-1239</link>
		<dc:creator>jim hancock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2008 17:21:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brilliant, Sheila.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brilliant, Sheila.</p>
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		<title>By: Sheila Baldwin</title>
		<link>http://insidework.net/resources/articles/business-is-our-mission/comment-page-1#comment-1236</link>
		<dc:creator>Sheila Baldwin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2008 16:06:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been questioning the current strategy/structure of missions due to my own involvement with missionaries I support. In light of your quote of Dorthy Sayers,&quot;a creative activity undertaken for the love of work itself&quot; I see the validity of your argument... work is simply an unfolding of our Divine Nature. I love this, so edifying. I also see work as the way we communicate and interact with his creation. The market place is an environment of exchanges. I have been reading Dorthy Sayers on education as well. She has amazing insight. In her essay The Lost Tools of Learning, she says, &quot;Is not the great defect of our education today that although we often succeed in teaching our pupils &quot;subjects,&quot; we fail lamentably on the whole in teaching them how to think: they learn everything, except the art of learning.&quot; In this vein, when we try to prostitute the virtuous role of work in order to get a foothold so that we can &quot;talk&quot; about God in the market place we are doing a similar disservice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been questioning the current strategy/structure of missions due to my own involvement with missionaries I support. In light of your quote of Dorthy Sayers,&quot;a creative activity undertaken for the love of work itself&quot; I see the validity of your argument&#8230; work is simply an unfolding of our Divine Nature. I love this, so edifying. I also see work as the way we communicate and interact with his creation. The market place is an environment of exchanges. I have been reading Dorthy Sayers on education as well. She has amazing insight. In her essay The Lost Tools of Learning, she says, &quot;Is not the great defect of our education today that although we often succeed in teaching our pupils &quot;subjects,&quot; we fail lamentably on the whole in teaching them how to think: they learn everything, except the art of learning.&quot; In this vein, when we try to prostitute the virtuous role of work in order to get a foothold so that we can &quot;talk&quot; about God in the market place we are doing a similar disservice.</p>
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		<title>By: TCM</title>
		<link>http://insidework.net/resources/articles/business-is-our-mission/comment-page-1#comment-1231</link>
		<dc:creator>TCM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 12:47:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I agree wholeheartedly with Mr. Lundsford about BAM movement and am thankful that he wrote this important article, I would like to express a point of concern in relation to the research he cited about missionary effectiveness (International Bulletin of Missionary Research). My concern here is not with Mr. Lundsford or his article, but with the original research he cited. 

In my opinion, it is dangerous to put a dollar figure on missionary effectiveness. First, such research essentially attempts to put a price tag on the value of a human being. What cost, I wonder, should we establish as being &quot;effective.&quot; People are not car parts.

Second, this research measured conversions by baptisms. That&#039;s a bad measure. Thousands of people around the world come to faith without ever being baptised. No one can keep accurate records of how many are baptised. There are millions of believers around the world who never even go to a traditional church. And there are many people who have been baptised but aren&#039;t really believers.

Third, many missionary efforts are focused on &quot;planting seed.&quot; A lot of this work only comes to fruition in subsequent generations, as Jesus said in many places throughout the gospels. So you can&#039;t measure the value of the work by immediate results. 

Finally, a huge amount of missionary work is focused not on &quot;conversions&quot; but on helping people with medical, economic, food relief, social, and relational needs. The New York Times reported some time back that the Evangelical church alone in America (not counting catholic efforts) provides more social services to the nations in Africa than all the governments of Africa combined. 

In short, the report put out by the International Bulletin of Missions Research is quite narrow and off-base.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I agree wholeheartedly with Mr. Lundsford about BAM movement and am thankful that he wrote this important article, I would like to express a point of concern in relation to the research he cited about missionary effectiveness (International Bulletin of Missionary Research). My concern here is not with Mr. Lundsford or his article, but with the original research he cited. </p>
<p>In my opinion, it is dangerous to put a dollar figure on missionary effectiveness. First, such research essentially attempts to put a price tag on the value of a human being. What cost, I wonder, should we establish as being &quot;effective.&quot; People are not car parts.</p>
<p>Second, this research measured conversions by baptisms. That&#8217;s a bad measure. Thousands of people around the world come to faith without ever being baptised. No one can keep accurate records of how many are baptised. There are millions of believers around the world who never even go to a traditional church. And there are many people who have been baptised but aren&#8217;t really believers.</p>
<p>Third, many missionary efforts are focused on &quot;planting seed.&quot; A lot of this work only comes to fruition in subsequent generations, as Jesus said in many places throughout the gospels. So you can&#8217;t measure the value of the work by immediate results. </p>
<p>Finally, a huge amount of missionary work is focused not on &quot;conversions&quot; but on helping people with medical, economic, food relief, social, and relational needs. The New York Times reported some time back that the Evangelical church alone in America (not counting catholic efforts) provides more social services to the nations in Africa than all the governments of Africa combined. </p>
<p>In short, the report put out by the International Bulletin of Missions Research is quite narrow and off-base.</p>
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